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Neo-völkisch movements

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This article is not disambiguating anything. The two entries are in fact the same thing; Goodrick-Clarke's definition is the first. Neither of these things have articles. So, we have a disamb that is not disambing anything, which are grounds for deletion.

This article has a storied history. It started as an article on Nazi Satanism (a notable topic that I am writing an article on). Through a stupid series of moves and page merges, it was turned into an article on Neo-fascism and paganism, a completely different topic, and then turned into an article on "Neo-völkisch movements", a term that is often used by scholars but not with any useful definition, mostly in reference to one book. The article from then on was largely based on this book; this version of the article was nominated for deletion on SYNTH grounds and then kept. Despite the result of the AfD, it was turned into this defective disamb.

Now, we cannot delete this article. For copyright reasons, the several hundred revisions of material here has been merged to and split out from multiple times, which were themself split out from... It has to be redirected somewhere, at minimum, or many articles turn into copyright violations. Also, the title is very useful and the term appears frequently in secondary sources, so I am strongly in favor of it going somewhere. This article would best be served as a redirect to a sort of overarching article on "racist paganism" (see the rfd for Neo-fascism and paganism), what this article used to be at), which is perhaps the most overarching topic and what this was about for some time, but we do not have an article on that topic despite it being notable.

I would suggest a redirect to esoteric neo-Nazism#Relationship to neopaganism; that term comes from the same book this term originated in and is heavily intertwined in that original book. The status quo makes no sense. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:14, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oh no, not this trainwreck! My best solution: move it back to Nazi Satanism once you're ready to publish that article, then delete the new Neo-völkisch movements page. That way, the valuable article history will be preserved in an actual article people will read, and everything is back where it started, before the moving circus complicated everything.
Alternatively, redirect to Black Sun (Goodrick-Clarke book) or keep the disambiguation page; the article about the völkisch movement now has at least some coverage of the post-war legacy, so a disambiguation page for these two (very different) definitions has some justification. Esoteric neo-Nazism is just one of the concepts under Goodrick-Clarke's umbrella term, so if we decide to redirect I think the article about the book makes more sense as a target, since it covers all of it.
There is a third use of "neo-völkisch" in the unique classification system of the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), where it roughly corresponds to racially segregated neopaganism of a particular American kind, although the way it's written is vague and it's deliberately distanced from paganism ("no form of paganism is inherently bigoted"). There are some secondary sources that quote from the SPLC and use the term, but they never explain what it is, so it has no place here.
(If you're interested, I've had a halfway sketched out article about the American concept "folkish" on my hard drive for several years. I never finished it because the sources are so fragmentary and it wasn't possible to write a coherent article. But one of the better sources was a German PhD dissertation which explains that folkish is not the same as völkisch, and instead corresponds more closely to what in German is called arteigene Religion (p. 102).) Ffranc (talk) 12:51, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ffranc About the page history: the Nazi Satanism article is something I'm working on, but should I be hijacking this page history that hasn't been about that for a while to do it? I am not sure. I could do that if other people think it is a good idea. I'm not opposed to this current title redirecting somewhere else but this title should go somewhere rather than it being deleted, since it is a used term, and as is we aren't disambiguating anything. Or maybe dabs like this are ok and I'm missing something? no clue.
The real problem is we should really have an article on "racist paganism" or "racial paganism" or "paganism and far-right politics" or something ot that vague effect, but we merged all of that into the Germanic neopaganism article (even though strictly speaking not all racist paganism is Germanic neopaganism). I wouldn't be opposed to redirecting this to Black Sun (Goodrick-Clarke book) since it's a main part of his thesis and most usages of the term are in reference to him (I may expand the explanation of his thoughts on it soon)
current verdict for me is redirect to Black Sun (Goodrick-Clarke book) in the meantime, then. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:09, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I vote yes hijack the page history iff and only if it is the same scope. Andre🚐 23:50, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@AndreJustAndre Well, isn't that impossible with this article? Since under its history it has had at least 3 different scopes. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:14, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well if one of the historical scopes matches the article you want to write. Andre🚐 01:30, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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